Welcome
Between the Rivers: Religion in Ancient Mesopotamia
This group is dedicated to discussing the religious beliefs of the ancient peoples who lived in Mesopotamia and Persia.

Mesopotamian and Persian Religions (2 threads, 44 posts)
    The Old Testament and Mesopotamia (20 posts)
    Historical Thread

    For discussion of the Old Testament, it's people, beliefs, etc and how the Sumerians and Babylonians may have affected them. ...
    4 Members have made 10 Posts here to date.
    Google
    AncientWorlds.net Web
    Next: stones vs vapour
    Prev: RE: Jacob's Ladder
    GODSTONES & DREAMSTONES
    Ashurnasirpal head  20k.gif
    Author: * Sin Assurbanipal - 2 Posts on this thread out of 11 Posts sitewide.
    Date: May 26, 2006 - 13:17

    Responding to my post on Jacob's Ladder, ApilIshtar notes that "The name "Bethel" means "house of God," an obvious reference to a temple, or even a ziggurat, which may have stood on the site quite early in Canaanite times." (Citing Isaac Asimov, Guide to the Bible, pg. 94). But, she wonders, "whose temple would it have been in that area? And why would it be the house of "God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac"?"

    Good questions! But remember, here we are dealing with the dream life, the kingdom of the spirit, not the world of real ruins or archeology. And the religious dreamers who wrote and recorded their religious history in the Bible, though they may have had tribal memories and stories of Abraham's journey from his birthplace in Ur, needed no actual ziggurat ruins at Beth-El to inspire them. As a matter of fact, they, like most ancient peoples, believed God's house could be, and often was, not a temple but just a stone -- though to be sure, a wonderful stone. Such "numinous" or sacred stones are numerous throughout the Middle East and beyond, and the archeological name for one of them is "betyl," which is the Greek form of "beth-El."

    Note also how Jacob comes by his dream: " He took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep." (KJV ch 28, verse 11)
    Official dream-interpreters ("oneirologists") in the ancient Near East had, as part of their equipment, a special "dream stone" which when slept on would give them dream visions in which gods and spirits (angels, e.g. as in Jacob's Dream at Beth-El) would appear and speak to them. Note too that the Bible does not say that God spoke to Jacob from above the ladder, or even, like the angels going up and down the ladder, descended the ladder to speak to Jacob -- only that God stood beside him. So there's a hint here that maybe God emerged from, or spoke out from, one of the stones that Jacob slept on.

    Finally, when you dream, even if you're sleeping out in the middle of a desert full of nothing but rocks, within your dream you can be anywhere in the world, or out of it, and anywhere in time, too. So Jacob, dreaming in the desert, can be in Ur, the birthplace and home of his ancestor Abraham, and at the base of the ruined ziggurat there.

    What's more, Jacob himself may be more a persona than a real historical figure; he may be a persona of one or more ancient writers who vaguely remember, or maybe imagine him, just as they vaguely remember or imagine, Abraham, and so they can imagine him anywhere, including a setting that may vaguely recall to them their ancestors' stories of the ziggurat(s) in the land they came from.

    Carmen, who dreams and writes she is a priestess of Ishtar, should know this well


    NEXT: stones vs vapour
    PREV: RE: Jacob's Ladder
Rome - Rome, Season 1 - The Stolen Eagle


Copyright 2002-2008 AncientWorlds LLC | Code of Conduct and Terms of Service | Contact Us! | The AncientWorlds Staff